More complete update now

| 2:50 pm January 31, 2009 | Comments (117)

With a lot more information in now, including the 12Z UKMET, NOGAPS, and looking at some current info, here’s what we can say right now. Since it’s a Saturday and people reading here are interested in weather, I’ll throw in some technical stuff. This is probably my longest blog post ever.

Current situation: Temperatures warming over the SE with full sunshine and SW winds. The temps are having trouble in northern Kentucky where ice/snow are still on the ground, creating fog and low clouds, but those are melting/evaporating quickly (satellite pictures). Note temperatures in northern Arkansas in the 60s! That’s good news for power crews, and will melt any remaining ice fast. Warm air will keep moving in through tomorrow morning, and with sunshine tomorrow we could hit 60. So, cold air is not in place for the potential winter storm.

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Current surface

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Visible satellite

Overall pattern: A cold front will move into Alabama on Monday, as an upper-level trough moves by to the north. At the same time, weak impulses in the southern stream may develop additional precipitation, and a weak surface low, in the Gulf. The low will probably be associated with some precipitation, but most of that should stay south of BHM, and should be rain.

As the front moves in, it will encounter more moist air, helping to setoff precipitation. It will also will be in a position known as a “col”, with low pressure to the north and south, and high pressure to the east and west. This may cause confluence of air along the front, increasing the strength of the front. As this happens, the main vertical motion is on the warm side of the front, and this seems to be the case here.

Also remember that cold air moving into an area tends to suppress precipitation. The reason for this is, most simply put, the temperature of an air parcel moving along can’t change without some heat being added to it or taken away from it. As a cold air parcel moves into warmer air, it tends to be heavier than the surroundings and sink a little. This is oversimplified, but a good way to think about it. And, it explains why, so often, the precipitation ends as the cold air moves in.

Models: NAM shows precip lasting until Monday afternoon, with the air becoming cold enough for snow right at the end. GFS shows about the same thing, about 3 hours faster. 18 UTC NAM shows more precipitation, so some area from Tupelo to Huntsville may see an accumulation on roads. The GFS and NAM both indicate that temperatures will be above freezing at BHM throughout the precip event…not going below freezing until Monday night after 10 pm. Maybe this will be an event where snow accumulates on grass and cars enough to look nice but doesn’t accumulate on roads. Farther north, if the NAM is correct and there is heavier precip, that will help to lower surface temperatures by melting. NOGAPS shows all precipitation staying south of MGM…don’t know if I buy that, but that looks like where most of it will be. The Canadian and UKMET are colder, and even though they keep most of the precipitation south of BHM, they show enough along the front so that we could get 1-2″ in north and central AL. But, the UKMET keeps BHM temps above freezing until Monday night, also, so no big problems on roads here. The European looks similar to the UKMET. (Graphics below). One may question the colder models a little, given the warm air in place over the southeast today and tomorrow.

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NAM 3-hr precip

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NAM 3-hr snow

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UKMET thickness and precip

Analysis:

We still don’t know. Given warm ground temperatures and the low being weaker and farther south than previously thought, this does not look like a major winter storm for BHM. North Alabama will likely see rain changing to snow Monday morning, and BHM will change to snow by late afternoon. By then, most of the heavier precipitation could be moving away. I’d say the best forecast right now is for a 1-3″ accumulation in the Tennessee Valley, and maybe up to 1″ in BHM. More than likely, the roads will stay OK during the day on Monday, especially south of Cullman, with the warm ground and cold air moving in late. The travel problems could come Monday night, as any wet roads may freeze as temperatures go below freezing. If you want a big-time (4″) snow in BHM, it doesn’t look likely right now, and schools will probably be open by Tuesday afternoon. The weather is a hard to forecast, and the models could change a lot between now and Monday. So, all this could be wrong anyway. To forecast the weather more exactly, we would need soundings (balloon data with profiles of temperature and wind) in every county of the U.S. and every 10 square miles in the ocean, every hour, and computers with hundreds of TB of RAM to run the models. Still, we’d make mistakes, especially more than 5 days out. And, we could get another upper level impulse Tuesday with some light snow.

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  1. TBD in Pelham says:

    CT, smile! ;)

  2. tylerwilliams says:

    chris, it just now has changed, you know that if the models jump back on the snow solution it will be slow and also the NWS will be very skeptical of changing anything back too snow. chris mayb when the NAM, GFS bring in the 06z and 12z will have a better feel

  3. T-Town says:

    Chris, I am really not trying to argue…I don’t feel it is the appropriate place! I just copied that from the NWS website as I was posting that…if it has changed, then it has changed. As I mentioned earlier, I don’t feel this run supports a lot of accumulating snow for our area, but the TREND looks good. I think everyone on this board that is still hopeful is relying on the trend that has shown up on the last couple of runs.

    CAN’T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?! ;)

  4. chris near spain park says:

    the 18Z GFS model picked up the Texas precip at hour 6. The NAM did not.

    http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/18/images/gfs_pcp_006l.gif

  5. tylerwilliams says:

    rob i have been watching the model runs and blog since thursday, i think the chances as of 00z NAM and GFS give us a better chance. but as me and you know the ATL NWS will not put it in the forecast just yet. will phase it in starting with the discussion

  6. Adam says:

    T-Town who cares about alot of accumulating snow ? Any accumulation, even a dusting would be great imo.

  7. Rob says:

    Tyler, i’m really discouraged. This has not been a good winter for our area if you like snow. If we don’t get any snow next week i’m gonna give up hope on snow this winter. Maybe we’ll get lucky.

  8. tylerwilliams says:

    new post from Dr. Tim

  9. T-Town says:

    I actually agree Adam! I’ll take ANYTHING at this point! Just saying that these runs don’t support accumulating snow…yet. I think we are going to see a trend towards possible accumulation tomorrow (just my personal opinion).

  10. chris near spain park says:

    See Tim’s new post…just what I have been saying…the 0Z’s do not look any better!

    Nothing real encouraging for you snow fans on the 00 UTC GFS or NAM. Looks like most of the precip moves out as the cold air moves in…maybe ending as a little light snow. Surface temps on both models stay well above freezing all day Monday…even in north Alabama. BHM actually could stay above 40 for most of the day. The Canadian still shows some light snow with the cold air moving in faster. Don’t have UKMET and ECMWF yet, but things aren’t looking good for more than a dusting of snow here unless the major American numerical models are both wrong. That’s not real likely.

  11. tylerwilliams says:

    thats true rob it has not been that great. last year we had that surprise wednesday one and then a few weeks later the Saturday one that was going 2 get like 4-6 inches but got only 2 tops.

  12. Rob says:

    Tyler, and what makes it more discouraging is that we’ve had a lot of cold air this winter, we just can’t get precip and cold at the same time. It’s been 7 years since I’ve seen a good snowfall, back in January 2002, but I don’t think there was that much snow in Tallapoosa back then.

  13. tylerwilliams says:

    rob mayb this one is a surprise, i hope the global models will trend towards more precp and cold air at the right time.

  14. T-Town says:

    Switching over to Dr. Tim’s post…

  15. tylerwilliams says:

    switching over Dr. Tim post

  16. bman93 says:

    Well, whatever the case, rain or snow. I want to caution EVERYONE. By the time Tuesday morning arrives, there WILL be slick spots on the roads. “Black Ice” as it is sometimes called. DO NOT be in a hurry to get to work or school or whatever. Clear headed driving and being prepared for slick spots will either save your life or at the very least, your vehicle.

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